“Not having his sharingan” well that just gets rid of the best part of madara

Yeah...there is no way in fucking hell Madara would ever lower himself to work for someone else. Don't believe me? Just look up what his fucking reaction was to Kabuto trying to control him.

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Thanks for the chapter it's a good story please continue updating it

I read one of your responses on page and damn near slapped you through the screen don't ever replace this Madara is a gem to see uncomfortable and I want to see him get super angry at fairy tail seeing him continuously be thwarted by a different fairy tail member each time he tries to gain renown some fairy tail character messes it up for him

Madara is a good protagonist cause out of all the characters he actually worked to get everything like rock lee or might guy

So what I feel like would happen is after the war he starts to see the point of view from hashirama and would try a more loving approach. It will take a lot for that build up but thats where I see him going. Keep up the good work.

Fuck you and fuck that garbage series Naruto.

Kishimoto is a mentally retarded idiot who deserves to die a horrible death. He created the worst and most toxic fandom of all time

Go kill yourself asshole

Overview

One of the most overrated and horrible shounen in ways for the past 4-5 years. This series takes all of the potential it has built up in the beginning and basically treated it like toilet paper. I do not know how many times I have seen something in this manga and thought to myself they wasted a perfectly good plot. Hell, it isn’t only just the plots. It is the characters, the entire world that has been built, and even the fights that end up getting wasted or trampled on. Part 1 Naruto had its ups and downs too but never has it gone into the outright bad writing that seems to be a constant in Part 2.

Naruto has become a train wreck series and has been for almost half a decade now. Some people disagree but they just kept missing and/or ignoring all of the warning signs because they were too drugged up on nostalgia for the series. I am sure that the Narutards are going to invoke the don’t like it, don’t read it mantra but I need to go into great detail to explain my problems with the series so I have something to reference. After all, this is critique first and an avenue to vent my frustration 2nd. Despite the tripe that keeps spawning in the series, I am actually still a fan of Part 1 and I believe it was at least written competently. So I most certainly don’t enjoy seeing something I once liked mutate into a massive pile of shit. That and ripping into a shounen that has become shit-tier is copious amounts of fun! Lets take a look at how badly things have degenerated.

Forgetting Characters And Destroying Characters

As the manga goes on it seems like most of all the characters just continue to get worse. If they do not get worse then they are put into storage only to be brought back out to stand around and do nothing. Most times they don’t get to do anything in most of the arcs they appear in. They will say or do one or two things but end up not doing anything significant for the rest of the arc they appear in. Nine times out of ten they will go through the Dragonball syndrome and cheer lead for the main characters. Even worse in a lot of cases that when they even try to help or want to help they get treated like worthless fodder by the people they are trying to assist. For a series with a fuck ton of characters, you would think that Kishimoto would somehow manage to effectively use the ones he brings up instead of just always being spectators. But much like the majority of Kishimoto’s writing in Part 2, his ability to handle characters seems to have degenerated as well.

Naruto-Has become arguably one of the worst main characters ever in the history of shounen. His character from Part 1 and his character from Part 2 feel worlds apart. As Part 2 goes on, his character actually degenerates more and more. His main goal of becoming Hokage he decides to link into his goal of saving Sasuke. Citing how “If he can’t save one friend he does not deserve to become Hokage”. Never mind the fact that as I am currently writing this post, this retard has already saved several of his friends(Gaara and Sakura) and his entire village on top of that.

Hell, his entire fixation on Sasuke is beyond disturbing and goes far beyond what any “friendship” could possibly excuse. Here is a guy who has murdered, attempted murder on you and the girl you like multiple times, was excited about killing your teacher and even wanted to destroy your entire village. This isn’t including how he basically attacked four other representatives of other nations and tried to kidnap one of those representative’s brother. Sorry kiddo, but your mind is fucked up for not paying any of that attention just because “he is your friend”. The double standards in ethics for how he treats Sasuke in comparison to most everyone else has been down right sickening just because he is a “friend”.

Even worse is that their friendship in Part 1 was hardly there. They spent a good deal of time just squabbling with each other and fighting each other out of dislike. This strong friendship that Kishimoto is trying to portray is hardly there and mostly an illusion. Sasuke himself doesn’t even want to be fox boy’s friend and has treated him like shit 90% of the time they were ever around each other. Each time Naruto chases after him Sasuke literally has to smack him with a lightning coated hand just to get the fuck away from his stalker. Naruto, showing that he understands shit about Sasuke’s motivations, somehow got surprised that he wasn’t coming back to Konoha when he got rid of Orochimaru. You fucking dunce, he fucking told you why he was leaving and what his goal was. Why the fuck would you think he is returning without accomplishing that task? Of course Naruto’s response to Sasuke not coming back is *drum roll* to chase after him again and capture Itachi. Brilliant! Sasuke even finally asks the kid what the fuck his problem is in one of the latest chapters and Naruto keeps on regurgitating the same old shit. “Because you are my friend”. This unhealthy obsession has prompted many in the fandom to question Naruto’s sexuality because of just how hung up he is on Sasuke. Likening him to an abused house wife who just won’t leave that husband who treats her like shit. While some fight over Naruto’s sexuality, I believe the abused wife syndrome is indeed a good comparison to this hang up he has on Sasuke.

On another frustrating note, although not as frustrating as Sasuke, is the amount of ingratitude Naruto’s character displays. Hinata for instance helped to save his life by putting her’s on the line yet he doesn’t even have the fucking decency to go and thank her. Never mind the fact that he hasn’t answered her confession at all. (No, I am actually not a fan of Hinata but this is rather fucked up on his part) The fact that Shikamaru has been a better friend to him than the likes of Sasuke ever has is another annoying factor. Shikamaru can even relate to the kid on the aspect of losing their masters but since Sasuke was “first”(hardly) Naruto seems blind to everyone else. Never mind the other people like Lee, Neji, and others would gladly be friends with him. But whatever, Naruto is too hung up on the past and addicted to Sasuke to even pay attention that what he always wanted for most of his life has already materialized around him.

This pacifist crap that he has assilimated post Pain arc has possibly been the worst turn his character has ever taken. He has been groveling to other people and whining like a big baby even more than he has before. Letting Karui beat the shit out of his face was an undeniable low point of his character. Groveling to the Raikage about not taking the completely justified action was another low point. Hyperventilating over finally realizing Sasuke is a wanted criminal and the world is going to take action against him was the lowest point yet. That was completely ridiculous and unnecessary. He should have known that long ago but being the retarded ninja he is, Naruto is the last one to arrive to the party. By this point, most people really should have lost hope in this sad excuse for a main character. But Naruto being Naruto even decides to one up himself and bring up this bullshit about both he and Sasuke dying because they are zomg powerful. Right, because Madara and Shodai who were also unbelievably powerful enough to create a crater called vote ended up dying in their confrontation…oh wait neither of them did. That just caused many in the fandom to get even more pissed and likened the situation to a Romeo and Juliet lover’s suicide.

Oh and how can I forget that this kid ends up being some child of destiny/prophecy. After all the talk in Part 1 about making your own destiny and not letting yourself be controlled by fate, it turns out that Naruto himself is someone automatically “destined for greatness”. What a crock of shit to introduce at this point in the series after driving home the importance of deciding your own fate. Not only that, he is the son of one of the most powerful shinobi in his village’s history. Ok, the fandom saw that one coming from light years away and Kishi decided to keep this unrevealed for over 400 chapters for apparently no reason at all. One would wonder why Naruto himself never asked about his parents or why the likes of Jiraiya, Tsunade, Sarutobi, or Kakashi would never tell him even as he finds out about the fox in his belly and gets older and older. It just feels downright retarded that this was kept under wraps from him for so long and even revealed to Naruto himself in an anti-climatic matter on top of that. So all of this crap about “hard working Naruto” gets less impressive when you get confirmation that he has some of the finest genes anyway. He may as well be in the same camp as Sasuke and Neji only minus a manifested bloodline ability(Kyuubi still manages to make this a moot point anyway). Having Naruto destined to be the ninja messiah removed a lot of the things that was built on in this series.

Naruto’s fighting style is boring to read. It is basically Kage bunshin and Rasengan. It was sort of alright when he learned Sage Mode but it was basically back to making more clones and bigger Rasengan jutsu with it. Fucking boring and unimaginative. This is supposed to be the main character yet I actually dread seeing him fight more than most other characters. It would be one thing if his Rasengan variations actually did different things, but the majority of them all are only bigger and just blow more shit up. The Rasenshuriken being tossed is a slight improvement but considering how much chakra it eats up and its limited usage, it is best reserved as a finisher at best. If it isn’t that, it is down to massive rage and popping Kyuubi tails. I really love the diversity here.

Sasuke-Oh boy, is this one an extremely touchy subject in the fandom and even in the story. His base breaker status was pretty much solidified at the end of Part 1 due to his actions. In Part 2 as the story goes on he even manages to steal the limelight so much that many people keep saying to just rename the series to Sasuke or Uchiha. I really can’t fault them in most cases because as it stands now, the latter half of the manga has been mostly about Sasuke and his family. Sasuke’s quest for revenge has resulted in him in getting probably two to three times the amount of full length fights as the titular character. Most of the significant villains in the series(Madara, Orochimaru, Danzou) ended caring far more about Sasuke than they did about Naruto for the most part. Even Kabuto said he was going to go after Sasuke first before getting to Naruto. The Big Bad is an ancient relative of Sasuke’s and routinely watches over him to make sure he progresses in strength and hatred as well as offering him a major power up along the way. Sasuke’s clan in general were one of two main founders for the main village in this series. Both clans being super powerful and basically descended from the strongest character in this series’ history. Naruto spends so hundreds of chapters stalking and obsessing over Sasuke and is so deranged to the point he moronically feels the need to put him on the same pedestal as his dream. “I can’t be Hokage if Sasuke isn’t by my side” is pretty much what this amounts to. *gags* Considering Sasuke is the most popular Naruto character in Japan, this is hardly a surprising move I suppose if Kishimoto is trying to pander to the fan girls.

Sasuke himself has had his character horribly derailed since the death of Itachi. The number of stupid and illogical decisions he has made since then has grown to the point that it contradicts his established character traits. Storming into the location where the 5 strongest shinobi leaders in the world are having a meeting because you want to kill one is not the brightest of plans. Also in the fight with Killer Bee, you would think that Sasuke rekindled the power of friendship dwelling deep within his heart and that he still will be taking the morally gray path. Well, all of that is out the window as he has decided to be even angrier than he ever was at Itachi. He willingly kills people now, abandons and sacrifices his team mates we had to waste time seeing him gather, and decides to lump in all of the innocent people in Konoha with what only a handful of individuals were responsible for. Personally, it has felt that Kishimoto has had no idea where he has really wanted to take Sasuke’s character for the majority of Part 2. It clearly shows in the interviews like Jump Festa when he talks about the Sasuke developments in the story. He kept flip flopping between black, gray, and white as well as showed that he wasn’t going to completely be anyone else’s pawn.(He ended up being Madara and Itachi’s anyway) Sasuke has pretty much lost his brain and all reason in what really feels like a poor attempt to make him overly antagonistic just so Naruto can finally overcome him and because there is a shortage of villains at the moment. This wouldn’t be much of an issue if Kishimoto had just kept consistent with Sasuke’s character throughout the 2nd part of the story. Quite frankly, it is just very bad writing on his part.

Sakura-The fan girl whose entire existence revolved around Sasuke at one point then ends up revolving around Naruto and Sasuke in Part 2 after she becomes the medic. She really doesn’t have much motivation for anything else if it doesn’t involve these two in some way. After hundreds of chapters of pissing people off with her uselessness, she finally has her crowning moment of awesome against the Akatsuki member Sasori. Sadly, right after that it is straight back to irrelevance and cheer leading Naruto which was pretty much business as usual. Well, the few times he actually gets to even fight in Part 2. Sakura really gets screwed in Part 2 as one of the characters that gets pushed out of the spotlight in favor of some of the other ones.

In recent chapters Sakura actually tried to take a more proactive role in the story. Of course, her methods were highly questionable at best and down right stupid at worst. This included lying to Naruto to try and not hurt him but it backfired, lying to her team mates about how they are going to confront Sasuke and putting them to sleep so she can go it alone, and managing to not make any difference at all in the recent encounter with Sasuke only to be saved by Kakashi and then later Naruto. Before this, Kishimoto said that Sakura was going to act more like a heroine. Well clearly Kishimoto has no fucking idea about how a heroine acts because clearly these events are not it. Sakura ends up having an opening to finally kill Sasuke but ends up failing because one of the few moments over 3 years ago he was kind to her. Never mind the fact that he just tried to fucking kill you 5 mins ago. Oh, and the poison kunai she tried to attack Sasuke with wasn’t going to work because Orochimaru gave him the antibodies. So it turns out that she could have even gotten a hit on him with the Kunai as Sasuke was weakened at this point and everything would still be fine. Nope, it seems that Sakura was just doomed to fail completely on this one. Most people saw it coming but god damn, Kishimoto didn’t need to go about it like this and make her look utterly incompetent. This further cemented many complaints among the fandom about Kishimoto being sexist. Of course, one wonders why she would bother with poison in the first place when she has super strength which would have been far more effective.

So after the Sasuke and Naruto encounter winds down, Sakura has an inner monologue saying how there is nothing she can do now and it is completely up to these two. Oh great, so we finally have the nail in the coffin that Sakura is pretty much not going to be able to contribute anything else to this story besides being a medic and will never be anywhere close to her team mates in anything. Jutsu, character development, and any other improvements should be given up on. Kishimoto has clearly given up on Sakura.

Kakashi-Gets really screwed in this story. He is almost always stuck baby sitting and looking after other people when he fights. His chakra capacity is also on the very low side so when he fights for too long he ends up being trapped in the hospital and/or bed until he recovers. This gets lampshaded by Sakura after the Hidan and Kakuzu battle. Sakura mentions how it is strange not to see Kakashi in the hospital again after such a huge fight. Also Kakashi has the unfortunate role of being the villains punching bag as he almost always goes up against those who are out of his league. Pretty much every Akatsuki member he has faced off against and the Ex-Akatsuki Orochimaru have put Kakashi in his place. Even with his stamina improvements and Mangekyou Sharingan in Part 2, it still isn’t enough.

Surprisingly, Kakashi is the only main character who hasn’t been completely trampled on by Kishimoto’s bad writing. He is also the only main one who isn’t annoying to see on panel and doesn’t carry massive amounts of angst with him every damn day of the week in Part 2 despite his short comings. How he handled his reunion with Sasuke and even told Sakura how it was his fault that Team 7 ended up as it did. Despite admitting to not being a very good teacher to them all, he is willing to take responsibility against Sasuke and sympathizes with how Sarutobi felt facing off with Orochimaru. Kakashi’s character is probably the one of the few positive points I am willing to award Kishimoto here. Kakashi’s fights still need work though. Oh, and he needs to stop being brought up for being Hokage only to have it snatched away from him every time he gets close. He is building the hype and potential and when it never gets realized it is going to piss a lot of people off as a waste.

Yamato-Another of Naruto’s baby sitters when Kakashi isn’t available and cheer leaders. Yamato has been pretty shafted in terms of development because his entire character has revolved around these two things. Mainly being a walking plot device most of the time to make sure Naruto doesn’t stupidly unleash the weapon of mass destruction sealed in his stomach. A first he seems like a competent shinobi and that he may end up with more interactions with Danzou and Orochimaru but we see how that gets thrown out the window since Sasuke took them out. Plus Yamato seems to get less and less competent each time we see him. For fuck’s sake, the last time he was shown he was suppose to be watching Naruto and making sure he doesn’t leave the hotel room. Instead he fucking falls asleep and fails to wake up from the sounds of Naruto creating a massive hole to escape through. Damn this is fucking sad.

Sai-Another of the members of Naruto’s bitch squad who will gladly kiss Naruto’s ass any chance he gets because he taught him the wonders of bonds. This is actually pretty sad since the first bond Sai gets to learn about is the highly dysfunctional Sasuke and Naruto bond. He pretty much entered the series as the poor replacement for Sasuke and hasn’t really contributed much of anything since his arrival. Well, he helped to feed the horrible romance sub-plot but only the pairing fans really care about that at this stage of the game since Kishimoto can’t write romance for shit. He was hyped by Danzou as being the “strongest of his generation” but talk is cheap. We have never seen him in an all out fight and his jutsu hardly seem like the kind that make him “strong” in comparison to many of the other shinobi. I hated Sai when he was introduced and I hate him still. He is a filler existence and at this point the series can go on without him even being a part of anything else with Danzou gone.

Akatsuki And Other Villains Get Shat On

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Naruto is full of plot armor, power of friendship and shitty writing.

Even Naruto fans admit this

Instances of Plot Armor
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What instances of plot armor do you guys remember? I have two that I dislike.

Sakura vs Ino (chunin exams). This was ridiculous. Ino and Sakura had equal combat skill but Ino had mind transfer. She caught Sakura and somehow lost because Naruto fucking screamed. Somehow Sakura was able to break out of a jutsu that was supposed to be a one-shot for her.

Sasuke vs Deidara. Of course he just has to be the perfect counter for Deidara. On top of that he managed to dodge his C0 virtually unscaved. Somehow (at very low chakra) he was able to summon Manda in like a second, place him under genjutsu, and then teleport out of the way.

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PurpleGeth • 1y
Might Guy opening the 8th Gate of Death and surviving

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Xen_Shin • 1y
I agree. After all that buildup about the 8th gate being death but godlike, I agree. Also Madara should have taken a little more of a beating I think, but it was such a good end for Guy. I knew the moment it was mentioned that either Guy or Lee was gonna die by the end and I wanted it. Not because I dislike them, but it seemed like the ultimate way to go for them. They achieve maximum youth, and for Guy to have to live the rest of his days in a wheelchair is pretty sad, because it's not how he'd want to be. It made the moments in the gate feel less special, and it took away the importance and the weight of what he did.

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duckhunttoptier • 1y
There was like... really no need for him to survive anyways. That fight and the arc would've been better if he would've died, but no neji died we cant kill more than one character this close! pffft

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Obility • 1y
Not exactly plot armor. IMO it would be better if he died injuring madara but he did no damage at all. More like Madara had plot armour.

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zerzavy • 1y
i wouldnt say so - he has nothing to forward the plot and just got lucky

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GenGaara25 • 1y
Naruto surviving Kakashis 1000 years of Death.

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Genesis_Omega_Dragon • 1y
NANIIIII!?

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xKennyz • 1y
I'm surprised nobody has said lee vs gaara. Lee was moving so fast, and that last yank into the punch should have literally broken gaara's spine (ignoring the fact that every other hit should have broken it too). This dude lee was moving mach 200. Shit, the man was moving so fast shit around him became obliterated just due to his speed. Sonic can't even compare to the speeds attained by lee. This man turned Naruto into DBZ for a few minutes. Just the sheer momentum should have killed gaara through his sand shield. Kakashi shat his fucking pants when he saw the kid Jesus Christ lol.

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BluestarDolphin • 1y
mach 200

Gaara: "You can't lock up the darkness"

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SargentScrub • 1y
Kakashi uses Susanoo

I'm surprised nobody said this yet.

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JevvyMedia • 1y
Honestly when I was reading the manga I thought for a long time Susano'o was a move that was exclusive to Itachi. I never knew that all you needed was 2 Mangekyos and you could use it by default. Seems like the author just ran out of jutsus...especially considering Madara never used his Mangekyo ability that apparently everyone has.

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DaBubs • 1y
Naruto hiding underground from Neji who's eyes have the literal ability to see through said ground and all other solid objects.

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Xen_Shin • 1y
While this is a good point, I think the intent was that Neji got cocky, and was focusing upwards. From what we're shown, byakugan users can focus their vision into a narrower field of view for better accuracy. It's also possible, that for whatever reason, henge-ing into a tiny object like a rock woukd make just the one small object glow with chakra and Neji may have overlooked that while searching for a person. Also, Naruto pulled that move off in pretty quick succession, and Neji may have realized it only a second too late. It was a stretch, but I think it barely passes to plausible.

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BluestarDolphin • 1y
Sasuke vs Kages

He fought A, and disArmed him, and survived through him and Darui, and Gaara, and Temari, and Kankuro and many Samurai... Then his Susanoo had been melted by Mei's, like literally, she was about vaporize him, but because of White Zetsu, he survived again. Then when we said Ohnoki got him, he was saved by Obito. Then despite having lost shit ton of chakra, he killed Danzo all by himself. Then he clashed against Kakashi... like c'mon.

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ownage516 • 1y
He was healed after Tobi saved him, but yes, a bit of a stretch. One can claim he's the reincarnation of Indra, but, meh

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rokudaimehokage • 1y
After seeing Madara bitch slap all Gokage solo I accepted that it's just a demigod thing.

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shurezma • 1y
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the ENTIRE uchiha clan were somehow killed by a 15 year old obito and 13 year old itachi? Surely there were other talented uchiha. Despite how strong the kamui and tsukuyomi might be , i find it hard to believe that an entire clan were wiped by a 15 and 13 year old.

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sader786 • 1y
Well that was the whole point of itachi's character, how he practiced and trained himself day and night without caring that he was a Uchiha. While the other clan member relied on the reputation of their Uchiha name rather then their own strength. It was the reason there weren't many Uchihas in high position in konoha military even in the reign fairly liberal third hokage. Thus obito who was taught by madara and itachi were able to kill them.

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duckhunttoptier • 1y
Not exactly a plot armor but related.

Shisui's eyes Hashirama's Cells with Danzo gave him the ability to use koma whatever genjutsu once a day iirc.

WHY DIDNT HE FUCKING USE IT ON SARUTOBI, OROCHIMARU, LITERALLY ANYONE HE WANTED IT MAKES ZERO SENSE

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sader786 • 1y
Because this guy were top ninjas, surrounded by other top ninjas. If danzo used genjutsu then he would've been caught and executed for treason.

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GodlyHades • 1y
Sakura punching Kaguya without her seeing it when her Byakugan was active. Sakura and I think Susano'o Kakashi creeped behind her, and nada.

There's no way Kaguya didnt see them. Granted she was nerfed all around away

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Don-E-Boy • 1y
I haven’t seen the fight but didn’t she hit her in the one blind spot that was established in part 1?

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rokudaimehokage • 1y
She wasn't nerfed, she was green. She'd never fought a battle against anyone that could hope to touch her let alone two brilliant strategists with godly powers. Honestly the fact that Kaguya managed to survive long enough to kill Obito is admirable on her part.

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uchiha-pookie • 1y
Bee blowing a hole in Sasuke's chest and Sasuke surviving

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taiwanna • 1y
Orochimaru revealing that Sasukes curse mark uses sage chakra just so he could fight Madara.

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ImaWhis • 1y
This was stated by kabuto before orchimaru said it. Plus he fought obito with it

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rokudaimehokage • 1y
It was pretty well established that Jugo's seal used nature energy before Obito became Juubito.

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hueless13 • 1y
like every killer bee fight
was suppose to lose to sasuke's amaterasu
was def. suppose to lose to kisume
survive madara tailed beast extraction
and somehow survive another extraction from momoshiki in the movie

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half_pain • 1y
Naruto and Sasuke surviving because the Sage can transcend time and space and transfer his abilities to them.

Naruto and Sasuke fighting and bleeding for a really long time and still surviving and only requiring the wounds to be sealed off.

Madara escaping Edo Tensei.

Neji surviving after several holes were made in his body.

Sasori using only the one poison that his opponents have an antidote to.

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KhaoticTwist • 1y
Naruto and Sasuke surviving because the Sage can transcend time and space and transfer his abilities to them.

They survived because Obito gave Naruto a Bijū, while Kabuto regenerated Sasuke's injuries.

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duckhunttoptier • 1y
Sasori probably only had one poison probably.

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SargentScrub • 1y
They survived because Naruto got the other half of the nine tails and Sasuke was healed by Kabuto. But the fact they got the powers from the sage is horrible.

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KhaoticTwist • 1y
The Mind Body-Switch technique can be overpowered through willpower. It's been shown in other times in the series as well. Naruto shouting at Sakura to not give up put her back in the game.

Of course he just has to be the perfect counter for Deidara.

Deidara was also a counter to Sasuke. Sasuke was just more skilled and intelligent, which led to his victory.

Somehow (at very low chakra) he was able to summon Manda in like a second, place him under genjutsu, and then teleport out of the way.

This however, I agree it was plot armor.

Anyways; Deidara being able to make a Clay Clone without his arms against Team Guy(seriously, how did he pull that off?). Madara randomly knowing how to cancel Edo Tensei's control over him(not even the creator Tobirama knew). Kimimaro dying from ilness right before he's about to kill Gaara.

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Rambro332 • 1y
Completely agree on the Sasuke vs. Deidara part. Sasuke won that actual fight fair and square. The plot armor came in with how he survived Deidara’s ‘fuck you I’m taking you with me’ suicide blast. What’s annoying is that just of the top of my head I can think of a handful of ways it could have been written to not be a total asspull, but Kishimoto seemingly wanted to make it a cliffhanger (as of we’d seriously think he’d kill off Sasuke to a minor akatsuki member).

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dknamikaze • 1y
Sasuke being a counter for Deidara.. Meaning how Every Earth based jutsu Was so utterly useless against lightening based chidori.

Deidara being a counter to Sasuke seems incorrect. Deidara was never on counter, Deidara's last 2 jutsus were OP, funny how Lightening was sort of Bomb diffuser.

He won the match up fair and square actually, just don't like How Lightening is so OP for Earth chakra nature.

Though he survived with a plot armour

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Xen_Shin • 1y
I agree with Kimimaro dying from illness is plot armor, but I feel it's well used plot armor. Also it was hilarious. But it essentially showed Gaara and Lee that they outright lost and they were only alive because of sheer luck, and I think it motivated both of them to work harder. It also helped strengthen their bond. And I think it was only so meaningful because it was at the last split second.

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battlekidx3 • 1y
I don't really think of the Kimimaro one as plot armor because from the beginning of the fight that was how I thought it was going to end. Kimimaro was a perfect counter to Gaara's abilities, so I thought it was obvious he would lose to Gaara because his body gave out before he could finish it. This is just how I saw the situation.

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rokudaimehokage • 1y
I disagree with the Madara thing. Of course Madara knows the weakness to Edo Tensei. Madara and Tobirama clashed countless times before the formation of Konoha and then fought wars alongside the man, there's no doubt in my mind that he learned the weakness to every last jutsu Tobirama used and certainly saw the hand seals for it as well. Expecting Madara to not know how to counter edo tensei is like expecting the sun not to rise.

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BluestarDolphin • 1y
The Mind Body-Switch technique can be overpowered through willpower. It's been shown in other times in the series as well. Naruto shouting at Sakura to not give up put her back in the game.

Like when exactly? Even Kinkaku and Obito couldn't break out of Part-2 Ino's jutsu. This willpower statement is so weak. That was literally a plot armor. Ino caught her off guard so well and used jutsu perfectly, damn bam Sakura breaks out of it with a second mind/will, like what will? If she had will, wouldn't she learn something useful or something useful by then?

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Paegyu • 1y
I don't think Inner Sakura kicking Ino out was an example of plot armor (it rather showed how strong Sakura's will is), but Naruto yelling and interrupting their fight definitely was and in my opinion he should've been disqualified from the Chunin exams for it.

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SaintNutella • 1y
I can agree with this.

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BluestarDolphin • 1y
I don't take this willpower bullshit. Like anyone can break a jutsu through willpower? It's a plothole then.

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naraclangenius9 • 1y
Wasn't a big fan of it, but it was just an example of how strong Sakura's will is. And well, hes Sasuke hes pretty fucking smart and extremely talented ehat they say he did is a stretch but plausible for him

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partwaysvssauceitup • 1y
Sarada vs buntan

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KhaoticTwist • 1y
Sasuke magically didn't die when he took the needle for Naruto during the Wave arc

Haku purposely put him into a fake death state. Just like what he did with Zabuza.

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BudTrip • 1y
i don't get the deidara love, he was a brat

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BluestarDolphin • 1y
This is not a popularity thread.

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naraclangenius9 • 1y
this

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JevvyMedia • 1y
Plot armour is Naruto fighting Gaara right when he was transforming. If he showed up before then, Gaara would have just crushed him. All the Shinobi during the war having infinite chakra. Kakashi spamming Mangekyo and Raikiri left and right, Kurama meditating for a couple minutes and giving Naruto a full recharge, Sakura healing the entire battlefield, etc

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KDG_Fries • 1y
Sasuke vs Deidara

The fact that their opposite natures i wouldn’t say it’s particularly luck via plot armor. He is from the village hidden among the stones, so no duh his jutsu would use earth style. And second a majority of that fight was a 1v2 due to Tobi giving Deidara assistance, also Deidara was even given prep time in that fight against Sasuke.

You can’t be mad for plot armor when the fight was extremely fixed and unfairly against Sasuke’s favor.

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SaintNutella • 1y
This was not what I was talking about. Read the OP, it's the fact that Sasuke survived the way he did that makes it plot armor.

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sickvisionz • 1y
Deidara was a joke of a ninja. He could fly... and that was it. His entire fighting style is based on the fact that he can fly and 99% of ninjas can't. That's why he lost. He went up against someone that could neutralize that and his only other option as a ninja was to commit suicide.

Parlor tricks and suicide were his only talents. To this day I don't get why people hold him in such high regard. Dude had literally one talent and then his only other option was to commit suicide.

Biggest plot armor to me was Konoha literally taking no Ls when Pain came through and crushed the the entire city. Naruto as a whole has no concept of sacrifice. Like once per series does a sacrifice actually end up being a sacrifice. Every other time people get magically brought back to life or do a suicide attack that actually is just a it makes me tired attack.

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SaintNutella • 1y
Deidara's C4 is no joke though.

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KhaoticTwist • 1y
Deidara was a joke of a ninja.

Explosion Style Kekkei Genkai; A forbidden technique that gave him mouth hands to knead Chakra into any he wants(in his case, clay); Thus combining the two to create clay bombs of any shape that could explode on command.

Had a technique that could blow up an entire village(and it took all of Gaara's sand just defend it). Had a technique that could launch countless nano bombs unseen by even the Sharingan, enter all living organisms, and disintegrate them on command. Can make an entire area into a minefield.

Has a trained eye that could see through and counter Genjutsu, even from the Sharingan. Has a scope to see targets from long distance.

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JevvyMedia • 1y
You explained the series well. Naruto loses his Godfather and then he thinks he has the right to lecture the world up and down about anger and hate and all that at 17 years of age. It's crazy to me how he thinks how losing Jiraiya compares to Sasuke losing his entire clan to his brother while also witnessing his parents getting killed, getting tortured about it mentally twice, then killing his own brother only to find out that his brother was forced to do it by the upper echelons of the village he lived in. Craziness left and right.

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rokudaimehokage • 1y
He had more than flying, I'm no Deidara fan but even I can admit that he has more going for him than flying. However I do agree that his character was just fodder through and through. Most characters are given a really tragic and sad backstory, their horrible actions are almost always overshadowed by what horrific cruel fate they suffered. But not Deidara, this dudes one and only flashback was just him losing against Itachi and whining about how he's an artist. He had no ambition or goal or drive, he just wanted to see explosions and call it "art". That's not a character, that's just anime Michael Bay.

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zerzavy • 1y
none of these are really plot armor -

plot armor would be an extreme instance in which someone survived something they couldn't have possibly survived FOR the sake of the story. Anyone hit by crazy shit likely died or was completely knocked out for the entirety of the fight. When Naruto & Sasuke died they were at low durability but got power ups to tank petty things later on. Most characters either have the stats to simply take a hit or have hax to bypass it.

One example I could think of is Obito w/ the rock crush ((IIRC it was later said he phased through it, perhaps unlocking mangekyo earlier on)

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SaintNutella • 1y
Well to me plot armor is unreasonably surviving something or getting a random boost in power for the sake of plot. Maybe the Ino vs Sakura might not be plot armor but Deidara vs Sasuke is without a doubt an example of plot armor.

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Obility • 1y
it was later said he phased through it, perhaps unlocking mangekyo earlier on)

Naw that doesn't make much sense since he still has marks of the crush on his face.

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JoblessShinobi • 1y
SASUKE VS DEIDARA WAS BULLSHIT

I’m a huge deidara fan but they had to nerf him for some Emo Uchiha

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rokudaimehokage • 1y
Sasuke beat his ass in a fair fight, all Deidara's attacks were null against Sasuke because of elemental disadvantages. You wouldn't say a writer nerfed Charizard because he lost to a Blastoise, you'd say "well what the hell was Charizard doing picking a fight with a Blastoise?" And don't even act like Deidara is even a character. He had one motivation: to blow shit up. That's not a character that's just a boring nobody with lame aspirations. Sasuke at least wanted something, justice for his dead family. All he wanted, at the time, was to bring down the most evil sadistic egotistical maniac Sasuke had ever known.

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TheAnimeHunter • 1y
Yeah Sasuke escaping from the blast was a complete asspull

I'll like this.

Wow, what a great story!
I'm glad I found it, even if it wasn't easy

Will get Madara his weapons and armor soon?
Just imagine him running around in his red, Warring States Periode armor. How badass and threatening it would be!

Hope you continue soon, there are not enough Madara-centric stories out there!

This is awesome.

ultear looking like a snack

How many chapter will you update in month..
Also thanks for this novel...
madaraXultear...