Not what I expected

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What I’m trying to say is there’re other factors out there for readers to determine who’s the D/top/“man” in the platonic relationship. but it’s getting wayyyyyyyyy too long here. Thus, I’m guessing the best way to decide in M/M relationship in non-M stories is to treat it similar to M/F relationship in platonic stories without considering the gender part. I mean it’s like you already have the ending in mind then eliminate all the plot in between and you’ll get the beginning with correct labels. If it’s a mathematic equation, then it’s like you know your story is going to end up with number 6 as a result and you know your beginning is number 1. To get to the non-M ending (platonic one) you need number 6 and imagine, repeat imagine, IF it all comes down to it one day this story has an alternative ending that turn to M ending, then what you need is number 10. So, if you deduct 4 out of 10, then you’ll still get non-M ending (platonic one) but with correct characters position. For example, you want to write story involving Sasuke and Naruto. You predicted that IF and only IF their relationship progressed and get to the point they end up sleeping together, who would take who? If your answer is Naruto and that he’s is definitely going to be the one who take Sasuke, that’s how you saw them end up together IF your stories ever go up to M rating (number 10) but you actually don’t plan to take it that far and want to remain BL story (number 6). All you have to do is eliminate all that materials that would lead to M related scenes (deduct 4), write to your heart desire of BL platonic story (you’ll get number 6) with NarutoxSasuke, Naruto/Sasuke, NaruSasu, Naru/Sasu, N/S or NxS for tags/labels in summary. So if it’s Sasuke take Naruto then it’s vice versa but if it’s like what you’ve mentioned that you prefer switchers, then NarutoxSasukexNaruto, SasukexNarutoxSasuke, Naruto/Sasuke/Naruto, Sasuke/Naruto/Sasuke, NaruSasuNaru, SasuNaruSasu, Naru/Sasu/Naru, Sasu/Naru/Sasu, N/S/N, S/N/S, SxNxS or NxSxN are all correct. If you still don’t get all the thing I’ve mentioned, I suggest you pick up quite a few doujinshi and browse through that. It really help. It doesn’t have to be R-18, just select those which are BL and you’ll notice the book always labeled as “man”*”man#2” even though there’s no explicit scenes. (If it’s not stated on the cover, the it’s at the back or the last page.) That way I hope you’ll get a clearer picture of how characters are portrayed in that platonic relationship and why the mangaka label their books that way in the first place.

By the way, I’m glad you insist to keep characters in character. I never view Gaara as a weakling either. He’s my most favorite character and I won’t degrade him with that. For me, I love the characters the way they are and in characters as possible so it doesn’t matter what their personalities are as long as they remained to themselves. On the bar scale, I admit I’m not expecting a number 1 all the time since that is what only Kishimoto-sensei can do *lol* So I still read even the characters ranged in between 1-5, I’m still very open-minded and try to point the fact out if the characters behave wayyyyy too OOC but again I still prefer those closest to 1.

To answer about what I look for in NaruGaa and what I hate in GaaNaru. I would say both Naruto and Gaara are two of my favorite characters from one of my favorite series so I don’t hate them at all and I’m happy to see many people agree that they’re also good together as a couple. However, whenever I think of seeing them end up to gather and IF explicit contents should arise one day, I can’t imagine Gaara being the D/top/“man” in the relationship (of course he can ride! *lol*). So even with BL story with platonic relationship that eliminate all the explicit scenes, he’s alway has been and always will be the “man#2” for me. The same goes for those who love GaaNaru and hate NaruGaa just vice versa. To make it clearer, you could say I can only think of Gaara as the uke (“man#2” for BL) no matter who he paired up with and there are other who can only think of Gaara as the seme (“man” for BL) no matter who he paired up with, like some will always viewed Sasuke as the uke (“man#2” for BL) and Naruto as the seme (“man” for BL) or vice versa. For NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa fans like you who are switchers, they enjoyed both ways. There’re also other cases where readers preferences changed. It often depend on factors like threesome and other Xsome stories or stories involving other characters (where opportunities arise for all shippings) so their usual characters positions may again change according to that but some still very steadfast about having their ultimate seme (“man” in BL) and uke (“man#2” in BL) no matter which characters they’re paired up with. Therefore, there’re tons of reason why ones think that way and other thinks in a completely different way. I’m afraid that’s left for debate because once ones said something, another side will counter back with something and it’s going to be endless so I’m just going to leave it like that. We don’t want to go to the point of seeing a somewhat another SasuNaru vs. NaruSasu debates but just different characters. *shudder* It’s pointless that way because ones is entitled to their own opinions and I totally understand/respect that just like there’re two sides of every coin. That’s why I’m asking you first about the labels before I continue reading your new story.

As I’ve mentioned before, I love Gaara just the way he is with his steadfast personalities of his in both business and personal issues but he’ll always be the “man#2” in my case. You can beg to differ since you see the completely opposite and believe it goes both ways. That’s why in the previous comment I tried to compare with compliant man and assertive woman for better understandings and bigger pictures but in this case it’s like “man” with complaint trait and “man#2” with assertive traits in BL platonic stories. Hence, I better leave it at that because from what I can interpret from your reply, it seem we have different opinions regarding this matter so it’s totally understandable and it’s better not to drag this on any further.

Another thing, you indeed have a wrong impression that I wanted GaaNaru, it’s actually the other way round *lol*. Sorry if this cause you confusion. Since your labels are quite eccentric, I don’t know anymore if you mean what people normally labels as GaaNaru or your GaaNaru. What I mean is I love reading NaruGaa with Naruto being the D/top/“man” while Gaara being the “man#2” in both M rating and non-M ending (platonic one), not the other way round (Gaa/Naru with Gaara being the D/top/“man”) and also not both ways (switchers: NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa). That also goes with gender bend. I love to read Naru/femGaara and not the other way round (Gaara/femNaruto). With these labels, I hope you noticed it only go one way (NaruGaa), not the other way (GaaNaru) and not both ways (switchers: NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa). Remember I’m stating this with the assumption that you already know full well that I still expect Gaara to remain in his complete character even if he’s “man#2”. So yes, he can be assertive, badass, steadfast, stoic, quiet and etc. or whatever in relationship more than Naruto and I’ll always see him as “man#2”. You can say he’s the ultimate “man#2” for me. Again, vice versa for GaaNaru fans and it can go either way for switchers. Not many people are quite picky as me I would say but I met those who are even more aggressive, straightforward and passionate than this in other fandoms (believe me it’s really shocking how passionate they are, you should’ve seen the threads) so I hope you get the drift. *blush* Tbh, I really appreciate and feel so touched of how you would go so far as writing your future stories featuring Naruto and Gaara but I’m afraid I can’t read any of that since GaaNaru and switchers don’t go well with my tastes. So I could only give you sincere support and wish you the best in whatever you love to write. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure readers who are GaaNaru fans or switchers fans would love to read your stories. :) I’m not sure next time I could write this massive LONG respond or reply to you at all because I would eventually get bashed someday if I continue writing this long. (TT_TT) not to mention I usually skip the story with labels that don’t fit my tastes. However, I saw how you’re referring to me before your contradict labels so I intended to reply to your messages. Besides, writing this long really tired me out. *lol* But I have to just to make sure I didn’t miss most of the thing I wish to convey. To sum up, I just want to express my opinions, that’s all. I hope my opinions aren’t offensive to you in anyway. Please believe that I don’t have any intention to do so. I hope you understand that it’s just how you put your pairing position in summary is pretty eccentric compared to how other authors usually put and it cause confusion to quite a few readers. Don’t worry, I’m a lurker/stalker/reader/admirer around many fandoms with many names and I usually don’t sign in to comment since I’m too lazy *lol* So I’ll definitely popped up and be around if your NaruGaa stories or any other Gaara centric stories are posted in future. Who know we probably have similar tastes in other fandoms! I’ll definitely see you around by then if that happens. XD Again, sorry for the freakin’ long comments, I better end them here. Ciao.

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What I’m trying to say is there’re other factors out there for readers to determine who’s the D/top/“man” in the platonic relationship. but it’s getting wayyyyyyyyy too long here. Thus, I’m guessing the best way to decide in M/M relationship in non-M stories is to treat it similar to M/F relationship in platonic stories without considering the gender part. I mean it’s like you already have the ending in mind then eliminate all the plot in between and you’ll get the beginning with correct labels. If it’s a mathematic equation, then it’s like you know your story is going to end up with number 6 as a result and you know your beginning is number 1. To get to the non-M ending (platonic one) you need number 6 and imagine, repeat imagine, IF it all comes down to it one day this story has an alternative ending that turn to M ending, then what you need is number 10. So, if you deduct 4 out of 10, then you’ll still get non-M ending (platonic one) but with correct characters position. For example, you want to write story involving Sasuke and Naruto. You predicted that IF and only IF their relationship progressed and get to the point they end up sleeping together, who would take who? If your answer is Naruto and that he’s is definitely going to be the one who take Sasuke, that’s how you saw them end up together IF your stories ever go up to M rating (number 10) but you actually don’t plan to take it that far and want to remain BL story (number 6). All you have to do is eliminate all that materials that would lead to M related scenes (deduct 4), write to your heart desire of BL platonic story (you’ll get number 6) with NarutoxSasuke, Naruto/Sasuke, NaruSasu, Naru/Sasu, N/S or NxS for tags/labels in summary. So if it’s Sasuke take Naruto then it’s vice versa but if it’s like what you’ve mentioned that you prefer switchers, then NarutoxSasukexNaruto, SasukexNarutoxSasuke, Naruto/Sasuke/Naruto, Sasuke/Naruto/Sasuke, NaruSasuNaru, SasuNaruSasu, Naru/Sasu/Naru, Sasu/Naru/Sasu, N/S/N, S/N/S, SxNxS or NxSxN are all correct. If you still don’t get all the thing I’ve mentioned, I suggest you pick up quite a few doujinshi and browse through that. It really help. It doesn’t have to be R-18, just select those which are BL and you’ll notice the book always labeled as “man”*”man#2” even though there’s no explicit scenes. (If it’s not stated on the cover, the it’s at the back or the last page.) That way I hope you’ll get a clearer picture of how characters are portrayed in that platonic relationship and why the mangaka label their books that way in the first place.

By the way, I’m glad you insist to keep characters in character. I never view Gaara as a weakling either. He’s my most favorite character and I won’t degrade him with that. For me, I love the characters the way they are and in characters as possible so it doesn’t matter what their personalities are as long as they remained to themselves. On the bar scale, I admit I’m not expecting a number 1 all the time since that is what only Kishimoto-sensei can do *lol* So I still read even the characters ranged in between 1-5, I’m still very open-minded and try to point the fact out if the characters behave wayyyyy too OOC but again I still prefer those closest to 1.

To answer about what I look for in NaruGaa and what I hate in GaaNaru. I would say both Naruto and Gaara are two of my favorite characters from one of my favorite series so I don’t hate them at all and I’m happy to see many people agree that they’re also good together as a couple. However, whenever I think of seeing them end up to gather and IF explicit contents should arise one day, I can’t imagine Gaara being the D/top/“man” in the relationship (of course he can ride! *lol*). So even with BL story with platonic relationship that eliminate all the explicit scenes, he’s alway has been and always will be the “man#2” for me. The same goes for those who love GaaNaru and hate NaruGaa just vice versa. To make it clearer, you could say I can only think of Gaara as the uke (“man#2” for BL) no matter who he paired up with and there are other who can only think of Gaara as the seme (“man” for BL) no matter who he paired up with, like some will always viewed Sasuke as the uke (“man#2” for BL) and Naruto as the seme (“man” for BL) or vice versa. For NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa fans like you who are switchers, they enjoyed both ways. There’re also other cases where readers preferences changed. It often depend on factors like threesome and other Xsome stories or stories involving other characters (where opportunities arise for all shippings) so their usual characters positions may again change according to that but some still very steadfast about having their ultimate seme (“man” in BL) and uke (“man#2” in BL) no matter which characters they’re paired up with. Therefore, there’re tons of reason why ones think that way and other thinks in a completely different way. I’m afraid that’s left for debate because once ones said something, another side will counter back with something and it’s going to be endless so I’m just going to leave it like that. We don’t want to go to the point of seeing a somewhat another SasuNaru vs. NaruSasu debates but just different characters. *shudder* It’s pointless that way because ones is entitled to their own opinions and I totally understand/respect that just like there’re two sides of every coin. That’s why I’m asking you first about the labels before I continue reading your new story.

As I’ve mentioned before, I love Gaara just the way he is with his steadfast personalities of his in both business and personal issues but he’ll always be the “man#2” in my case. You can beg to differ since you see the completely opposite and believe it goes both ways. That’s why in the previous comment I tried to compare with compliant man and assertive woman for better understandings and bigger pictures but in this case it’s like “man” with complaint trait and “man#2” with assertive traits in BL platonic stories. Hence, I better leave it at that because from what I can interpret from your reply, it seem we have different opinions regarding this matter so it’s totally understandable and it’s better not to drag this on any further.

Another thing, you indeed have a wrong impression that I wanted GaaNaru, it’s actually the other way round *lol*. Sorry if this cause you confusion. Since your labels are quite eccentric, I don’t know anymore if you mean what people normally labels as GaaNaru or your GaaNaru. What I mean is I love reading NaruGaa with Naruto being the D/top/“man” while Gaara being the “man#2” in both M rating and non-M ending (platonic one), not the other way round (Gaa/Naru with Gaara being the D/top/“man”) and also not both ways (switchers: NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa). That also goes with gender bend. I love to read Naru/femGaara and not the other way round (Gaara/femNaruto). With these labels, I hope you noticed it only go one way (NaruGaa), not the other way (GaaNaru) and not both ways (switchers: NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa). Remember I’m stating this with the assumption that you already know full well that I still expect Gaara to remain in his complete character even if he’s “man#2”. So yes, he can be assertive, badass, steadfast, stoic, quiet and etc. or whatever in relationship more than Naruto and I’ll always see him as “man#2”. You can say he’s the ultimate “man#2” for me. Again, vice versa for GaaNaru fans and it can go either way for switchers. Not many people are quite picky as me I would say but I met those who are even more aggressive, straightforward and passionate than this in other fandoms (believe me it’s really shocking how passionate they are, you should’ve seen the threads) so I hope you get the drift. *blush* Tbh, I really appreciate and feel so touched of how you would go so far as writing your future stories featuring Naruto and Gaara but I’m afraid I can’t read any of that since GaaNaru and switchers don’t go well with my tastes. So I could only give you sincere support and wish you the best in whatever you love to write. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure readers who are GaaNaru fans or switchers fans would love to read your stories. :) I’m not sure next time I could write this massive LONG respond or reply to you at all because I would eventually get bashed someday if I continue writing this long. (TT_TT) not to mention I usually skip the story with labels that don’t fit my tastes. However, I saw how you’re referring to me before your contradict labels so I intended to reply to your messages. Besides, writing this long really tired me out. *lol* But I have to just to make sure I didn’t miss most of the thing I wish to convey. To sum up, I just want to express my opinions, that’s all. I hope my opinions aren’t offensive to you in anyway. Please believe that I don’t have any intention to do so. I hope you understand that it’s just how you put your pairing position in summary is pretty eccentric compared to how other authors usually put and it cause confusion to quite a few readers. Don’t worry, I’m a lurker/stalker/reader/admirer around many fandoms with many names and I usually don’t sign in to comment since I’m too lazy *lol* So I’ll definitely popped up and be around if your NaruGaa stories or any other Gaara centric stories are posted in future. Who know we probably have similar tastes in other fandoms! I’ll definitely see you around by then if that happens. XD Again, sorry for the freakin’ long comments, I better end them here. Ciao.

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What I’m trying to say is there’re other factors out there for readers to determine who’s the D/top/“man” in the platonic relationship. but it’s getting wayyyyyyyyy too long here. Thus, I’m guessing the best way to decide in M/M relationship in non-M stories is to treat it similar to M/F relationship in platonic stories without considering the gender part. I mean it’s like you already have the ending in mind then eliminate all the plot in between and you’ll get the beginning with correct labels. If it’s a mathematic equation, then it’s like you know your story is going to end up with number 6 as a result and you know your beginning is number 1. To get to the non-M ending (platonic one) you need number 6 and imagine, repeat imagine, IF it all comes down to it one day this story has an alternative ending that turn to M ending, then what you need is number 10. So, if you deduct 4 out of 10, then you’ll still get non-M ending (platonic one) but with correct characters position. For example, you want to write story involving Sasuke and Naruto. You predicted that IF and only IF their relationship progressed and get to the point they end up sleeping together, who would take who? If your answer is Naruto and that he’s is definitely going to be the one who take Sasuke, that’s how you saw them end up together IF your stories ever go up to M rating (number 10) but you actually don’t plan to take it that far and want to remain BL story (number 6). All you have to do is eliminate all that materials that would lead to M related scenes (deduct 4), write to your heart desire of BL platonic story (you’ll get number 6) with NarutoxSasuke, Naruto/Sasuke, NaruSasu, Naru/Sasu, N/S or NxS for tags/labels in summary. So if it’s Sasuke take Naruto then it’s vice versa but if it’s like what you’ve mentioned that you prefer switchers, then NarutoxSasukexNaruto, SasukexNarutoxSasuke, Naruto/Sasuke/Naruto, Sasuke/Naruto/Sasuke, NaruSasuNaru, SasuNaruSasu, Naru/Sasu/Naru, Sasu/Naru/Sasu, N/S/N, S/N/S, SxNxS or NxSxN are all correct. If you still don’t get all the thing I’ve mentioned, I suggest you pick up quite a few doujinshi and browse through that. It really help. It doesn’t have to be R-18, just select those which are BL and you’ll notice the book always labeled as “man”*”man#2” even though there’s no explicit scenes. (If it’s not stated on the cover, the it’s at the back or the last page.) That way I hope you’ll get a clearer picture of how characters are portrayed in that platonic relationship and why the mangaka label their books that way in the first place.

By the way, I’m glad you insist to keep characters in character. I never view Gaara as a weakling either. He’s my most favorite character and I won’t degrade him with that. For me, I love the characters the way they are and in characters as possible so it doesn’t matter what their personalities are as long as they remained to themselves. On the bar scale, I admit I’m not expecting a number 1 all the time since that is what only Kishimoto-sensei can do *lol* So I still read even the characters ranged in between 1-5, I’m still very open-minded and try to point the fact out if the characters behave wayyyyy too OOC but again I still prefer those closest to 1.

To answer about what I look for in NaruGaa and what I hate in GaaNaru. I would say both Naruto and Gaara are two of my favorite characters from one of my favorite series so I don’t hate them at all and I’m happy to see many people agree that they’re also good together as a couple. However, whenever I think of seeing them end up to gather and IF explicit contents should arise one day, I can’t imagine Gaara being the D/top/“man” in the relationship (of course he can ride! *lol*). So even with BL story with platonic relationship that eliminate all the explicit scenes, he’s alway has been and always will be the “man#2” for me. The same goes for those who love GaaNaru and hate NaruGaa just vice versa. To make it clearer, you could say I can only think of Gaara as the uke (“man#2” for BL) no matter who he paired up with and there are other who can only think of Gaara as the seme (“man” for BL) no matter who he paired up with, like some will always viewed Sasuke as the uke (“man#2” for BL) and Naruto as the seme (“man” for BL) or vice versa. For NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa fans like you who are switchers, they enjoyed both ways. There’re also other cases where readers preferences changed. It often depend on factors like threesome and other Xsome stories or stories involving other characters (where opportunities arise for all shippings) so their usual characters positions may again change according to that but some still very steadfast about having their ultimate seme (“man” in BL) and uke (“man#2” in BL) no matter which characters they’re paired up with. Therefore, there’re tons of reason why ones think that way and other thinks in a completely different way. I’m afraid that’s left for debate because once ones said something, another side will counter back with something and it’s going to be endless so I’m just going to leave it like that. We don’t want to go to the point of seeing a somewhat another SasuNaru vs. NaruSasu debates but just different characters. *shudder* It’s pointless that way because ones is entitled to their own opinions and I totally understand/respect that just like there’re two sides of every coin. That’s why I’m asking you first about the labels before I continue reading your new story.

As I’ve mentioned before, I love Gaara just the way he is with his steadfast personalities of his in both business and personal issues but he’ll always be the “man#2” in my case. You can beg to differ since you see the completely opposite and believe it goes both ways. That’s why in the previous comment I tried to compare with compliant man and assertive woman for better understandings and bigger pictures but in this case it’s like “man” with complaint trait and “man#2” with assertive traits in BL platonic stories. Hence, I better leave it at that because from what I can interpret from your reply, it seem we have different opinions regarding this matter so it’s totally understandable and it’s better not to drag this on any further.

Another thing, you indeed have a wrong impression that I wanted GaaNaru, it’s actually the other way round *lol*. Sorry if this cause you confusion. Since your labels are quite eccentric, I don’t know anymore if you mean what people normally labels as GaaNaru or your GaaNaru. What I mean is I love reading NaruGaa with Naruto being the D/top/“man” while Gaara being the “man#2” in both M rating and non-M ending (platonic one), not the other way round (Gaa/Naru with Gaara being the D/top/“man”) and also not both ways (switchers: NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa). That also goes with gender bend. I love to read Naru/femGaara and not the other way round (Gaara/femNaruto). With these labels, I hope you noticed it only go one way (NaruGaa), not the other way (GaaNaru) and not both ways (switchers: NaruGaaNaru or GaaNaruGaa). Remember I’m stating this with the assumption that you already know full well that I still expect Gaara to remain in his complete character even if he’s “man#2”. So yes, he can be assertive, badass, steadfast, stoic, quiet and etc. or whatever in relationship more than Naruto and I’ll always see him as “man#2”. You can say he’s the ultimate “man#2” for me. Again, vice versa for GaaNaru fans and it can go either way for switchers. Not many people are quite picky as me I would say but I met those who are even more aggressive, straightforward and passionate than this in other fandoms (believe me it’s really shocking how passionate they are, you should’ve seen the threads) so I hope you get the drift. *blush* Tbh, I really appreciate and feel so touched of how you would go so far as writing your future stories featuring Naruto and Gaara but I’m afraid I can’t read any of that since GaaNaru and switchers don’t go well with my tastes. So I could only give you sincere support and wish you the best in whatever you love to write. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure readers who are GaaNaru fans or switchers fans would love to read your stories. :) I’m not sure next time I could write this massive LONG respond or reply to you at all because I would eventually get bashed someday if I continue writing this long. (TT_TT) not to mention I usually skip the story with labels that don’t fit my tastes. However, I saw how you’re referring to me before your contradict labels so I intended to reply to your messages. Besides, writing this long really tired me out. *lol* But I have to just to make sure I didn’t miss most of the thing I wish to convey. To sum up, I just want to express my opinions, that’s all. I hope my opinions aren’t offensive to you in anyway. Please believe that I don’t have any intention to do so. I hope you understand that it’s just how you put your pairing position in summary is pretty eccentric compared to how other authors usually put and it cause confusion to quite a few readers. Don’t worry, I’m a lurker/stalker/reader/admirer around many fandoms with many names and I usually don’t sign in to comment since I’m too lazy *lol* So I’ll definitely popped up and be around if your NaruGaa stories or any other Gaara centric stories are posted in future. Who know we probably have similar tastes in other fandoms! I’ll definitely see you around by then if that happens. XD Again, sorry for the freakin’ long comments, I better end them here. Ciao.

Sorry for my previous lengthly comment, old habit just die hard sometimes. *lol* I’m afraid you have to face another freakin’ lengthly comments again So sorry in advance, I know long comments can be an eyesore *sweat-dropped*. By the way, I’m skipping your entire story since I don’t read GaaNaru. Sorry for that even though it’s a gender bender like your AMGR, I skimmed down and happen to saw some scene Naruto got taken which doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t mind BDSM, D/S and other stuff (tbh, it’s one my guilty pleasure XD) but since I have a picture of this similar to M/F relationship here (since it’s a gender bent story) so seeing a man, in this case, Naruto got taken is not something I’m looking forward to either with real or unreal male’s genital. Imagine in FSOG-verse (I admit the book is a total rubbish but again some would definitely argue with that), you don’t expect to see Elena sticking the dildo into Christian’s behind right even if she’s the D? Well, that’s go along the same line with what I see. Don’t get me wrong some may love that but I’m afraid I’m not one of those, that’s all. If it’s M/M relationship, that’s a different story. *hehehe*

Firstly, about Gundum Wing fandom, yes I know the series but I’m not really a big fan so I didn’t visit the fandom that much. I would say the order of top/bottom also applied in Naruto fandom and any other fandom as well in both M rating and non-M ratings.

Secondly, with the way you explained how you viewed my previous explanation only relevant to mature story is because I tried to make it easier for you to see the clearer picture and understand by comparing it with more obvious materials in extreme cases. With non-M ratings stories, the character position still matter even readers don’t expect any M rate scenes. The readers can pick up characters personalities, traits, development and relationship as the story progresses themselves and already have an idea who’s the top and who’s the bottom IF one day the story happened to turn to rate M but they don’t need those scenes to confirm that. They only want or already contended enough with BL stories.

Actually, I doubt you would understand that so let me break that down for you (but I don’t know if it’s going to help much T-T). Let’s say with obvious materials such as M/F relationship in rate M stories, the readers don’t actually need you to tell who’s gong to top who right? It’s obvious M is going to top F regardless of their sex position *cough*F is still bottom even she ride him*cough* That’s why you see always see M/F instead of F/M in tags or summary and even if you make a mistake such as labeling it as Hinata/Naruto instead of Naruto/Hinata, nobody is going to flip since it’s obvious who’s the D/top/“man” in this relationship. Now, if we place the same situation in non-M stories, do the readers still know who’s the D/top/“man” in this relationship even though there’s no sex scenes? Of course they know without the authors having to explicitly write the sexual intercourse to prove that. It’s like you already know IF one day they eventually decided to sleep together, who’s going to take who (again regardless of sex position). Once again, they don’t want to read those explicit scenes and already contended enough to read platonic love story without explicit scenes involved.

Okay, let’s compare this to M/M relationship in M rating. To make it blunt, reader would portrayed this quite similarly to M/F relationship but in term of who actually take who, literally. The one attacking and took another male character is ‘seme’, the attacker so it means he ‘top’ another one which is the receiving end, ‘uke’. So yeah even uke is riding, seme is still considered the ‘top’. Here’s come the critical part if you summarized your story, let’s say in extreme case, the most dominant M/M ship in Narutoverse, NaruSasu or SasuNaru. With your character position maybe you think Sasuke is more assertive (just an example!) and you wrote SasuNaru but when the story went on it’s actually Naruto who took Sasuke. Then SasuNaru fans are going to flip because stating SasuNaru mean Sasuke is the seme while Naruto is the uke and it doesn’t concern how you portrayed the characters because you’ve already stated it clear in the summary to the readers of who’s taking who in this pairing. It can be considered both very misleading and deceiving toward the readers. This is because the readers have their own different tastes and opinions about the written characters in their own minds. Some viewed differently from others but the mutual bottomline these readers have in common is that IF both eventually decided to sleep together, SasuNaru means Sasuke must be the one taking Naruto. The D/top/“man” is Sasuke, not the other way round and NaruSasu means Naruto is the seme which makes Sasuke the uke.

This situation applied to NaruGaa and GaaNaru as well but I think since it’s not a massive fandom compared to NS&SN, the complaints aren’t that much because some readers are sick and tired to point that fact out already (as the errors happened too many times in too many fandom that they lost count). It’s easier to just unfaved, unfollowed and dropped the stories entirely instead of trying to ask and explain the differences. In rate M stories, if you wrote Naruto/Gaara, NarutoxGaara, NaruGaa, N/G or NxG that means Naruto is the seme and Gaara is the uke while GaaraxNaruto, Gaara/Naruto, GaaNaru, G/N, GxN is vice versa. Hence, even if you see Gaara as the top, then it should be labeled as GaaNaru. Conversely, if you believe Gaara is more assertive but IF both decided to sleep together, Naruto will still be the one who take Gaara, then NaruGaa is what you should’ve stated. However, since you mentioned of can’t see one or the other topping all the time, then you’re those who are switchers. You viewed the character as ‘seke’ (the mixture of semeuke) and believed both take turn/switch position as seme and uke in their relationship so NarutoxGaaraxNauto, GaaraxNarutoxGaara, Naruto/Gaara/Naruto, Gaara/Naruto/Gaara, NaruGaaNaru, GaaNaruGaa, N/G/N, G/N/G, NxGxN or GxNxG is the best fit for the story if that’s what you’re going to write about. Omitting the last creating the impression to the readers that it ONLY go one way, NOT the other way round and NOT both ways.

If you get the concept, let’s move on to M/M relationship in non-M stories. This is quite tricky since readers can’t use the explicit scenes to determine who’s taking who anymore. Nonetheless, you still see most authors put pairing position in the summary even though they’re not rate M right? There’s a reason for that. It works pretty similar to M/F relationship in non-M stories. Since gender is what hinder the readers to determine who’s the D/top/“man” in this relationship without explicit scenes, they use quite a few factors to narrow that down. Don’t get me wrong both characters in the couple are still men but it’s easier for you to distinguish it if compared to M/F with former character as D/top/“man” in platonic stories and later as another male character who still remain physical appearance, characteristics, personalities, traits and everything as another male character. We can say “man#2” if it’ll cause you less confusion. I can’t cover all the factors as they’re so varies and viewed differently between readers. One of the most common factor is personalities. That’s right some people viewed stoic, quiet, steadfast, someone with dark, cold and unapproachable aura as the D/top/“man” in the platonic relationship while viewing bubbly, cheerful, friendly, talkative, someone with more bright and lighter approachable euro among others as “man#2”. However, some people viewed that completely the opposite with “man” as bubbly, cheerful, etc. and “man#2” as stoic, quiet, etc. So you can see it differs from people to people and they preferred one over another.

Although it’s true readers often viewed “man#2” with more feminine personality traits, as influenced quite heavily from yaoi and M rate materials. Some love “man#2” with a lot of feminine traits like thin, small, petite, short, weaker etc. (in severe case, it’s to the point he is like shemale, too OOC, the D/top/“man” just suddenly love him because of his beauty and the rest of women get bashed heavily with no reasons and so on.). Some enjoyed only a little bit of feminine traits, just only sweet side or particular traits. Some prefer none of that and wish the characters to remain in characters as much as possible. Others don’t mind both and some don’t care about that at all. Again, the concept applied to “man” as well but instead it would go with traits like being romantic, opportunist, possessive, taller than “man#2”, more muscular, stronger and etc. However, build, height, the size of characters’ bodies and whether someone is weaker than the others are again arguable issues since people viewed them differently. Let’s take RiRen for example, we all know Levi still shorter than Eren*lol* but there’re tons or RiRen out there in non-M stories. Also with OPM, we all know Saitama is the strongest but there’re still GenoSai non-M stories out there right? To put in simply, it’s like compared to a bar scale, 1 to 10 with 1 being characters so in characters and 10 being characters are OOC. Different readers will have different preferences on the scale, ranging 1 to 10. Another factor is power and influence. “man” usually viewed as having more power and influences over “man#2”. Yet again, some begs to differ since it doesn’t limit in term of social status and work like that but stretch into decisions and thoughts in relationship as well. Take OPM stories as examples.

What I’m trying to say is there’re other factors out there for readers to determine who’s the D/top/“man” in the platonic relationship. but it’s getting wayyyyyyyyy too long here. Thus, I’m guessing the best way to decide in M/M relationship in non-M stories is to treat it similar to M/F relatio

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