You,re wrong! YOU,RE WRONG! God is the truth! and now if you want prove that then okay,how shall I do it? logically?,rationally?,scientificly? well that is impossible beacuase God is beyond all of that there is no way to prove anything about him because he is beyond anything you van think you know why there is raping murdering(etc. etc.)because there is sin and sin is caused by us people,so if God prevented sin he would be taking away our free that's why we need Jesus! if we repent our sins to him then he will wash them ,since this whole fic is against Christianity,well hear this,there is nothing wrong with Christianity!

All right, Silent Shadow.*takes off kid gloves* I'd be a hell of a lot more likely to respect your views if you'd take the time to check them. Look at what you wrote:

"What about the fact thescience doesn't prove him wrong. just states their theory on how thing work. Wh's to say he doesn't use science.

We can debate science, debate his ritcheousness, debate his so called "Evil and manipulative conspiarcy to screw the whole world". But I wont unless you want to debate, flame, of rant to me. I don't care what you do. You have your beliefs- "I am an ignorant cult worshiper who is too stupid to see the 'light' and I have mind, 'You don't believe in God, and I would like to help you show he is there'. I would like to state that I'm not cutting down your beliefs, that would be naive of me- even though I was an aethiest before and I would just swpoop down to your level. I am simply defnding mine. I don't really give a crap what you think of me, I have enough people looking down on me and ranting random things about how stupid I am even when I have never talked them in my life. I also know I should be expecting this hatred, but I'm tired of stereo typing my friends and people claiming God is is a self ritcheous bastard after all he has done. I know you are probably laughing at this post, maybe this is was what you wanted. Hell I'm not sure if you are going to read all of this but if you are, I want to say... Thank you I guess. I didn't mean to make you sound like a horrible person and I'm sure you're not but I will always take my rights to the fullest and defend what God has given me."

I'm not even going to start on how many errors you made in that one paragraph. Spellcheck anyone?

So, you have the right to defend what God has given you. Read the bloody story, child! God never gave Java anything. She has the right to defend what logic gave to her.

Well, at least you didn't spout crap like other Christians I've met about how anyone who says God, i.e. Jesus, is a devil-worshipper(ignoring the meaning of the word athiest in the process)and stated that Java was a nice person. Nice? Jesus would probably like her more than most of the people in my _Christian_ school!

Apologies for the long review, that just pissed me off. Oh yes, newyorkbabe, you I won't even try to argue with. You're too far gone into moronity to help.*puts gloves back on*

Enjoyed your POV as always, Java!

Hrm. Has any narrow minded christian here think that maybe your "god" isn't just confined to one religion? Think about it. How can you put others down if you yourselves are not Islamic or Buddhist or whatever? It seems to me that Christians don't know crap about the world and they need to open their tiny little minds wider to get everyone else's opinion.

Plus, posting this made a mass of preachy posts for your reviews. Ugh.

Anyway, I'm not trying to put down anybody cause I look down at everyone in the religion and non-religion department. In my book, everyone sucks. YOU ALL DO!

Why do we even have to mess with issues like these? Why not put our effort into something else worthwhile? Anybody who messes with religion reeks of ignorance.

We're all human beings. Plain and simple. Let's learn to control what we have here instead of out of this world. k?

*frustration*

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Don't we all wonder sometimes? Don't we all ask, why do these things happen? How can God allow pain? Even I, a firm beleiver wonder at times. But it is not God who creates the pain- not even for His plan. That is where some people misinterpret things- some people say that God has a plan. I tell you, pain is never because of God's plan. But God will use it. He never plans pain to happen, but He will use it the best He can.

He does not create it- but he has to allow it. He has to allow it, or else we would be complete slaves to Him. A man could create a robot, but it would not be much company. But should that man have another human being, with choices and a free will, then you have communication and can allow for a relationship to occur. So it is with God. He could have made us mindless zombies, but He didn't. He wanted us to have a free will, but in order to do that, He has to let us make choices. Sometimes we don't make the right ones. Sin always has consequences, but the consequences don't always fall upon the ones who sinned. People get hurt. Tragedy happens. The best God can do is help us get back on our feet.

God cannot always fix our mistakes, because then we wouldn't grow. It's like a parent who can't always fix their child's mistakes. If the parents would always pay for the mistakes their children make, the child would never become independent. This world has to learn that sin has consequences, and that the consequences are nasty. People get hurt. There are times when the innocent suffer. God isn't the one causing the pain- it's us. It says in the Bible that God weeps over us. He cries with us- when there is pain, He will comfort you- only if you let Him.

And who's to say that God doesn't ever stop pain from occuring? I beleive that if there wasn't a God, than this world would be complete chaos- or, more likely, we'd all be dead. Who knows when God interferes, what he stops from happening. Who's to say those near misses and close to death encounters weren't a matter of God stepping in and protecting us? Miracles happen everyday- I've witnessed them. But that's another story.

Since my review is already entirely too long, I leave you to think about what I say. Don't make fun of my fellow believers, please. Their hearts were in the right place- they took time out of their day to defend their beliefs and, though you may not see it as such, to try to help you.

I don't care if you think I've wasted my time writing this- but I needed to say it. What you take from it is your choice- and I hope you make the right one. God bless you, whether you want Him to or not.

Ja ne,

Jessica

Hee hee, silly jesus people. I get your argument pretty well, I'd hope.

-ashy the agnostic..er..a.. something cutesy that starts with a.

I'm really sorry about everything that's happened to you. You never answered my e-mail, and I wonder why. Did I make any sense at all? I might not have, I was just sorta typing and letting my heart lead. I am seeing some change in you, though. You see, you said earlier that God was a lie. Are you starting to try to show God your pain again? That's what I got from your last review. I'm seeing that you're leaning more towards there being a God but him having no power to help or to heal. Or am I wrong?

I'm not trying to rant, I promised myself I wouldn't and I'm really not trying to offend you in any way. I'm just trying to see what is going on inside of you. Why do you feel the way you do? Your life? Come on, there must be more to it than that.

I had my life all typed out, but I'd really rather e-mail it to you instead. I don't want it on here.

NewYorkBabe

Dear Father,

Can you see how much of a lie you are?

You test people beyond their breaking point, knowing we are only mere humans.

And then you smirk because again, you are proven right,

again, the humans are too weak,

we break, we "forsake" you

so you expect them to come crawling back.

Love must be unconditional,

but apparently, only on our side.

for if you loved everyone

there surely wouldn't be so much pain in the world.

"Free Will" isn't an excuse.

I refuse to crawl back.

I will be my own person.

"watashi wa sekai wo kaeru."

Even though I strongly disagree with your point of view, I will like to say that you write good poetry. Your gift of poetry is a gift from God, whether you choose to admit it or not. As for the poem about your life, I will commend about it in that section.

Just one thing:

God exists. God cares. God understands. God knows.

But sometimes, he lets things turn out of control to show you what he knows, what he understands, what he sees. I read your other poem about the disappointment you sort of face because at your most painful moment, God left you.

Then you turned your back on God.

So, you see, you contradict your statement that you will die for God, that you love God more than anything, that you will bear his cross for him,

for if you did love him, you would have been patient with him. You would not have forsake him, cursed him, called him a liar.

God knows your heart, and the reliability of what you said.

You claimed you would do all out for Jesus, but God knows you won't. He reveals to you that you won't through all the pains and sufferings that Satan gives you. He allows Satan to do all these pains to you, not because he hates you, but because he wants to make you see through your true colour, that in the end, it is you that matters most to you, not God.

In other words, you will not die for God, or bears his cross for him. You will only worship him when thoungs are going in your ways, when everything is smooth-running.

So, God tests you, not to see your faith, but to let you see how much you don't really mean what you said when you claimed you loved him so much that you would die for him. Because you only respond to God when his favour is upon you, when things are going to your way.

Your love for God, at that time, before you forsake him altogether is limited. So don't lie that you love God a lot, a lot, in the past before you forsake him. Words do not speak of love. Action do. Do you have actions that speak of your words?

Praising God?

Is this love? I could praise someboday and not mean it in the heart.

Praying to Jesus?

About what? About personal needs! Is there loving God or is there asking God for help?

Unlimited love for God means loving him even when things do not go the ways you want them to be. But you lack that love, so you falters, falls, wash your hands off him as quickly as you accept him.

Sure, I will never understand the pain you go through. Nor will you understand mine.

Do you think my life is all smooth? That I get to hear the still-small voice of God?

I tell you the truth. I was involved in the occults, and all the still small voices in my head come from the devil, mocking me, laughing at the tears that fell from my face as I thought I was about to be mad. My mind talked back to me, and everytime I thought I was hearing from God, it was from the devil instead, or perhaps, in the eyes of the world, my insanity.

I cried. I screamed for help. I wanted to forsake God, because he did not seem to respond to my plead. But I did not. Because I still ultimately trust him. I yell at him. I scream. I cried, and blamed him for everything.

I asked, "God, if you love me, if you really love me, why do such pains, temptations, persecutions fell on me?" I was sarcastic. I wrote poems and stuffs deliberately to hurt him. I sneered. I mocked. I wanted to reject him.

The voices in my head, my feelings all encouraged me to. I tell myself, since God was so mean to me for not responding to me, I will give in and surrender to my madness, to the demonic spirits that torments my minds. I will be a Satanist,I will be an atheist, I will deliberately draw people away from God, because he was mean to me. But I do not hate God, I still love him, yet I want to do all these things because he did not repond to me the way I wanted him to.

When I was clearer in my thoughts, and reflected on what I said and wanted to do during my time of persecutions, I was embarassed indeed. I had claimed to love God all. But my "All" was to forsake him when troubles come.

Indeed, now I no longer dared to claim that I love God all. Sure, I love God, but not all. I love God only because he loves me. If he has not loved me , I would not have love him. God reveals to me through my pain, and mental depression the fact about my love for him being limited.

He reveals to the same thing, too, through the pains and sufferings you went through. Only this: Your love for God is more limited than my love for him. Because while you forsake him for the pains he give you to reveal to you your true nature, I appreciate all these pains I went through, not just because they moulded me, but because through them, I see the true colour of myself, that ultimately, I love myself more than God. And it changed me further not to be proud, to be arrogant.

My friend, I wrote so much, and perhaps you might be offended by what I wrote. But all these I wrote come from my heart, and perhaps some of them are from God, are God's message to you.

If they ever strike your heart or make you think, or if they make you see why you go through the pains you did, or if you make you want to trust God, again. Don't hesitate, then, my friend, for God is speaking to you through me.

He is saying, I love you, and now I respond to your cry. You see, I do speak to you, but not in the way you think I do. Everything I do, I have a purpose. Child, can you see how hurt I am by your reaction? How I know the truth, how much you love me, how much you don't, how I show you the truth, but in the end, you turn against me, and used them as proofs that I do not love you.

So you see, if that is indeed what Gos is saying to you, he is not being silent. He is speaking but you are not aware that he speaks, and still speaks to you. He speaks through me, and other circumstances in your life. He still loves you, he will always loves you. And he is the all forgiving father still waiting for his child to return to him. Will you accept his message, or is your heart so hardedned that you now hate him too much to accept him? Will you give yourself a chance to love God, this time for real?

Most sincerely,

Jasmine.

I wrote this from my heart, spirit-led.

Children are diying and you are content?

Where is your prophet and all you have left?...Blame it on God. - Diacide

...sorry... changed my mind! Came back! Anyway, I'd review about the first chapter, but... it seems that it's already been done... a few times. I can't explain do it much better, 'cause quite frankly, Silent Shadow did it just fine!

Anyway, I'm mainly here to address K2...

You gave us all a hint of your very mysterious life, and I grabbed the bait. What ARE you looking for, K2? Who knows, maybe you'll find it in Christianity! I'd try to tell you the answers, but, you know, I don't know the questions!

*Shakes head*

I'm truly sorry you believe that. As to self-righteousness... I'm sorry if you took it that way. That's not what I was trying to get across. In truth, I'm not self-righteous. I don't believe I'm better than others. Naw, I'm just an ordinary (and quite possibly boring at times) 15 year-old teen, who has just happened to have God as my best friend.

As to sanity? Hehehehehe... Okay, I MIGHT be a wee bit insane, but you can't place insanity on ALL the Christians out there. There ARE 2 BILLION after all.

*Get's reminded of past comment spoken against me and shakes head again* I'm NOT God! *Shakes head once more just for the sake of shaking his head*

Well, I'm done... Not much I can do to show you the Truth. I can show you all KINDS of proof, but from past experience, nobody will buy it. Guess I'm just gonna have to pray!

How can you claim God is a lie? The only person that can claim God is a lie is God himself? Do you have the galls to call yourself God?

How much do you know about God to call it a cult? Tell me your definition of the word 'cult'. And after you ridulule the truth of others you claim you know everything, you claim you know the 'truth'. Well lets all bpow to you for you must be wiser then the millions of people who have studied The Bible and evolution. You claim God is ilogically impossibe, have you even really thought of God logically? Many people I know have, and they believe! You think you are the only one with a crappy life? Yes people die, people murder, people rape, I know it. My friends know it. But because of this I guess we can blame God because "he must be doing all these bad things!" look at the truth, It happened because of peoples choices, and choices have consequences! We would be spoiled wrotten if we get away with things and not expect bad things to come out of it. Yes bad things happen to good people, it's a fact. But the Bible doesn't say that doesn't happen. Because we are people that will happen. Don't call things riduculous when what say can be thrown right back at you. The BiBle is not a story book, many people view it, but then again many people read it with the set mind it is just a story book. Read between the lines with an open mind for once and maybe you will see what thousands of others see. Of course then again, we are all ignorant, closeminded, stupid people who only want comfort right? I am very much sane. I'm a very logical person, I learn, I talk, I consider. As are all of my friends are. How can you call me 'in'sane when you have not met me? Don't judge me, you have no right. You have no right to claim what I believe is a lie. That's right God has a secret plan to screw everyone he doesn't like, it's a secret goverment/all powerful conspirarcy. That's why he suffered for everyone on the cross. jesus did not only 'chose' the Irealites. He chose humanity, and all who hear about him will go to heaven and all who haven't will be judged. please he is God, I think he will know if you would chose him if you they were given the chance. You know very little about God's plan. Don't assume the worst before you think. Ok first yousay he isn't real and then you say he is a powerful spirit, desperate conclusions. I guess if you look at it the way he is just a spirit he is manuplator and fears science, sure. Too bad he isn't, if he could maniplate everyone with dreams and visions because he fears science, don't you think he would have. Let me remind you he didn't just go to Christians, but others as well. Why would he fear science, because he thinks it will prove him wrong? Well what about the science that proves him right? What about the fact thescience doesn't prove him wrong. just states their theory on how thing work. Wh's to say he doesn't use science.

We can debate science, debate his ritcheousness, debate his so called "Evil and manipulative conspiarcy to screw the whole world". But I wont unless you want to debate, flame, of rant to me. I don't care what you do. You have your beliefs- "I am an ignorant cult worshiper who is too stupid to see the 'light' and I have mind, 'You don't believe in God, and I would like to help you show he is there'. I would like to state that I'm not cutting down your beliefs, that would be naive of me- even though I was an aethiest before and I would just swpoop down to your level. I am simply defnding mine. I don't really give a crap what you think of me, I have enough people looking down on me and ranting random things about how stupid I am even when I have never talked them in my life. I also know I should be expecting this hatred, but I'm tired of stereo typing my friends and people claiming God is is a self ritcheous bastard after all he has done. I know you are probably laughing at this post, maybe this is was what you wanted. Hell I'm not sure if you are going to read all of this but if you are, I want to say... Thank you I guess. I didn't mean to make you sound like a horrible person and I'm sure you're not but I will always take my rights to the fullest and defend what God has given me.

*after reading again what you wanted me to*

You didn't let god into your life.

I'm really sorry for you. Really, I'm really sorry that you have had to feel everything you've had to feel, without a God to help calm you.

I cryed when I read this. Not because I had suddenly come to your relization, either. But because you really don't understand.

The Bible, for what this is worth, explains your question to us. It, simply put, says that in the beginning Adam and Eve ate the fruit. They damned us. And God doesn't want us to hurt. But he wants us to be able to choose if what we believe in. He tells us all we need to know in the Bible...(yes, written by MEN but THROUGH GOD)

I'm really sorry that you have done this to yourself.

NewYorkBabe

well aren't you a happy little flower blossom? very cool, very very true, but just know this, even though there is no god, doesn't mean the world's not a great place anyway. get out and have some fun.